How f**k up are some conservatives?

by **John Galt** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:12 pm

there are lots of reasons to not set up shop in america and whatnot, but i really don't think healthcare costs are really relevant. in the end, the people need X dollars to meet Y standard of living. whether or not it is done by private or public doesn't really enter into it. private through companies is subsidized with tax breaks for the company. companies doesn't pay taxes on the premium for the healthcare policies. the health benefits exclusion is the single largest federal tax expenditure. so really you just don't know what you're talking about. if what you said had a modicum of a relationship to reality, than silicon valley wouldn't have been the biggest explosion of innovation ever it would have been in some other country, and those that are leaving the valley (because it's like 8k for a hamburger from mcdonalds out there) for other pastures would be going to that one place that's better and decidedly not in america. but they are moving to the midwest and colorado.

HQ2 is because i constantly was getting linkedin crap for amazon and wanted me to move out to seattle... they jsut don't have enough people there. they shortlisted another country just because they wanted to seem international
sidewalklabs is in NYC
ubisoft is french that's why
Collision is apparently a tech conference of 25k, and that's like, i guess how do i put this, f**k irrelevant

by **John Galt** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:17 pm

by **exploited** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:27 pm

by **Spider** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:51 pm

by **exploited** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:05 pm

That doesn't make even a lick of sense.

Economies of scale are a thing. The larger you are, the more leverage you have, the more negotiating power you have, etc. Not to mention that the US is home to the largest pharmaceutical and medical R&D companies on the planet - you can quite easily find ways to get them to agree on cutting costs, because frankly, they have no choice. They aren't going to get a better deal anywhere else in the world. Nobody else is going to put up with their bullshit to that degree. So they can either get on the train or get run over by it. Not a hard choice to make on behalf of shareholders.

"Okay, here's the deal. We are now providing insurance for 330 million people, which is the largest national health market in the Western world. You're gonna give us yuge cost cuts. Oh, you can't do that? Okay, we understand. Let's move onto Plan B: the opening of the largest generic drug market in this hemisphere. We're going to be doing a few things with how patents work, I'm sure you understand... Wait, what's that? You don't mind cutting costs after all? Wonderful to hear!"

by **John Galt** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:39 pm

by **exploited** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:43 pm

Just stop, Galt.

You seem unhinged, and now appear to be suggesting that I think these companies have one master location where everything gets done.

You were wrong. You said something dumb. That is okay, I've been wrong and said dumb things before. No need to double down. Live and learn, it is okay.

by **John Galt** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:56 pm

i'm not the one who suggested it. had you used the word "a" instead of "their" you'd then have something to stand on to start your sophistry. but of course your entire so-called argument holds no water because the fact of the matter is these healthcare costs have not stopped america from being the top of the tech industry which exposes how wrong you are

while you may have it a bit cheaper to have a government plan (theoretically) it's still not much cheaper, and certainly it makes no real difference for the company. what does make a difference is cost of living and what kind of people are living there to choose from for the workforce. they need to provide X standard of living to people so they will come work for them. if you're getting half your money taken away in taxes, you need to provide them Y more dollars (taxed!) to meet the X standard of living the workers want. if that money is not taken but they want health insurance subsidized by the company they need to provide Z dollars (tax free!) to pay for the healthcare

for a young new tech guy fresh out of college, it's more expensive for them personally to be in a country where the public system forces you to pay because that means more taxes leaving their pocket when they could be living fast and living free in america **==