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[The Comrade]

incorrect. completely, absolutely, incorrect. despite what televangelists say, you don't just get into heaven for believing jesus was a swell guy.

and the beatitudes are very much tied with how you act. go ahead, be a warmongering shistain instead of a peacemaker and see if you're invited into the kingdom of heaven. because it doesn't say "don't kill people" doesn't mean it's not tied to how you behave. oh wait, it does say not to kill people. to turn the other cheek.

[exploited]

What specific acts are you required to do? You keep on avoiding the question. I have never killed, I don't commit adultery or covet my neighbours ugly ass wife, I don't steal, I don't disrespect my parents, I don't believe in other Gods, I don't generally lie, etc. On the other hand, I am an atheist.

So, where am I going? Heaven or hell?

The point is, there are ZERO acts that Christians are required to do. Simply don't do certain things and believe in Jesus, and you're good.

Also, your Catholicism is showing.

[exploited]

Also, the Bible is pretty clear that repenting is enough. So if I kill a dude and then feel real bad, it's good, right?

I think it is obvious that belief in Christ is what matters, not acts. So you dont even have to avoid doing certain things so long as you don't do it again... and even that is up in the air, scriptually.

[The Comrade]

[exploited]

If I say don't make a mess, do I really mean tidy up that mess?

[The Comrade]

[The Comrade]

[exploited]

But what works. Specifically. You keep on saying "Oh, you have to do certain things to get into heaven," but what, exactly?

This was my point from the very beginning. The Bible is full of contradictions, hypocrises, etc. Compare that passage, which Menson quoted, with this:

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Romans 3:23-26 ESV / 30 helpful votes
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Acts 10:43 ESV / 24 helpful votes
To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
Acts 2:38 ESV / 24 helpful votes
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV / 17 helpful votes
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 10:13 ESV / 17 helpful votes
For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Romans 10:9 ESV / 16 helpful votes
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
1 John 1:8-10 ESV / 15 helpful votes
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Romans 10:10 ESV / 14 helpful votes
For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Romans 6:23 ESV / 14 helpful votes
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 3:23 ESV / 13 helpful votes
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Acts 22:16 ESV / 13 helpful votes
And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’
Isaiah 43:25 ESV / 13 helpful votes
“I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.
Acts 26:18 ESV / 10 helpful votes
To open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’
John 3:16 ESV / 10 helpful votes
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Matthew 6:12 ESV / 10 helpful votes
And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
1 John 2:2 ESV / 9 helpful votes
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Peter 3:9 ESV / 9 helpful votes
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Luke 24:47 ESV / 9 helpful votes
And that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luke 13:3 ESV / 9 helpful votes
No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Mark 16:16 ESV / 9 helpful votes
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
1 Peter 3:21 ESV / 8 helpful votes
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
2 Corinthians 5:21 ESV / 8 helpful votes
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
John 14:6 ESV / 8 helpful votes
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 8:24 ESV / 8 helpful votes
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”
1 Peter 3:12 ESV / 7 helpful votes
For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer. But the face of the Lord is against those who do evil.”
Ephesians 4:32 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
Romans 8:1 ESV / 7 helpful votes
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Acts 13:38 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,
Matthew 18:18 ESV / 7 helpful votes
Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 6:14-15 ESV / 7 helpful votes
For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Galatians 3:27 ESV / 6 helpful votes
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Romans 4:7-8 ESV / 6 helpful votes
“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
Psalm 130:4 ESV / 6 helpful votes
But with you there is forgiveness, that you may be feared.
Acts 8:36 ESV / 5 helpful votes
And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”
Acts 4:12 ESV / 5 helpful votes
And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Acts 3:19 ESV / 5 helpful votes
Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out,
John 5:24 ESV / 5 helpful votes
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Luke 12:9 ESV / 5 helpful votes
But the one who denies me before men will be denied before the angels of God.
Mark 16:15 ESV / 5 helpful votes
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.
Mark 11:25 ESV / 5 helpful votes
And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”
Mark 1:15 ESV / 5 helpful votes
And saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”
Matthew 18:15-18 ESV / 5 helpful votes
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matthew 6:33 ESV / 5 helpful votes
But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
Ezekiel 33:11 ESV / 5 helpful votes
Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?

[exploited]

No exchange with Comrade would be complete without engaging in outrageously arrogant behaviour. Therefore...

Game. Set. Match. Herp.

[The Comrade]

i already told you some examples.

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bib ... t-Charity/

there. charity. does this satisfy your weird lust for acts? apparently the two dozen i've given you aren't enough.

or would you like to argue that being compassionate, kind, forgiving, etc aren't acts either? or that the bible doesn't mention them?

i'm sorry it doesn't say "if you get a few grand back on your tax return, you need to give some of it to charity or else we won't be cool, dude" in the bible. i am also sorry that this apparent vagueness scares and confuses you.

and, again, faith is necessary but not enough. how is this difficult for you to understand? eggs. eggs are necessary for a cake. is a cake nothing but eggs?

it's like you enjoy being intentionally dense to aggravate me.