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Re: If you don't vote Bernie, you're a moron.

Postby exploited » Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:00 pm

You should balance strategic voting with personal preference. In your case, your personal preferences are completely out of line with over 80% of the country, who are known socialists, even if they reject the label. They also have zero chance of ever being influential outside small-town dive bars haunted by redneck Boomers. Which means that you should be voting for the candidate who is both viable and going to do the least amount of damage, as well as do some things you agree with (ending corporate welfare, ending the war on drugs, etc). That candidate is Bernie Sanders.

You seem to think that libertarianism is what is practiced or adhered to by just about every gainfully employed property owner in the West. This is delusional, woefully incorrect, and demonstrates a fundamental lack of knowledge about what libertarians believe. Because you call yourself a libertarian, I thought you might want to at least have a cursory understanding of what that means in terms of policy. I see now that my efforts are wasted, as you have a preference for pathetic indifference, simple-minded ignorance and a demeaning lack of intellectual curiosity.
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Re: If you don't vote Bernie, you're a moron.

Postby Libertarian602 » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:31 pm

Are you serious?
First you're basing everything on a delusional assumption that Sanders can end corporate welfare, and change the justice system. What, is he going to wave a wand, and make it happen.
You sound as dumb as all the Obama zombies back in 08. Once he got elected, everything was gonna be rainbows and unicorn farts. How'd that work out?
You're going to sit there and tell me I don't know what the tenants of libertarianism is, and yet you're[ telling me my best interest is to vote for a guy that wants to massively expand the role of government in our lives, just because he magically cure a couple of ills, that I happen to agree with him. Get the f**k out of here, guy.

Now back to my assertion. One of the major tenants of the philosophy is non-aggression, be it either by the individual or the state. So yes, the point is valid.
quote="exploited"]You should balance strategic voting with personal preference. In your case, your personal preferences are completely out of line with over 80% of the country, who are known socialists, even if they reject the label. They also have zero chance of ever being influential outside small-town dive bars haunted by redneck Boomers. Which means that you should be voting for the candidate who is both viable and going to do the least amount of damage, as well as do some things you agree with (ending corporate welfare, ending the war on drugs, etc). That candidate is Bernie Sanders.

You seem to think that libertarianism is what is practiced or adhered to by just about every gainfully employed property owner in the West. This is delusional, woefully incorrect, and demonstrates a fundamental lack of knowledge about what libertarians believe. Because you call yourself a libertarian, I thought you might want to at least have a cursory understanding of what that means in terms of policy. I see now that my efforts are wasted, as you have a preference for pathetic indifference, simple-minded ignorance and a demeaning lack of intellectual curiosity.[/quote]
“Liberty has not only enemies which it conquers, but perfidious friends, who rob the fruits of its victories: Absolute democracy, socialism.”
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Re: If you don't vote Bernie, you're a moron.

Postby Philly » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:20 pm

The problem with libertarianism in America is that the visible leaders of the movement - people like Ron Paul - are far to ideologically rigid. And then you get a guy like Rand Paul who says "Hey, I'll lean a bit more toward being a mainstream Republican while still offering strong libertarian values throughout my positions", and no one supports him. Ronald Reagan, the hero of the right, never stuck to a strict ideology, and recognized you couldn't use some simple flow chart where every arrow leads to "The federal government has no business being involved" for every situation. Likewise, true progressive Democrats like Sanders also realize that if you approach every issue as "What's the most progressive answer to this? Let's do whatever that is", your platform will suck.

Libertarians could be big in American politics, but they need pick their battles and form an agenda based in current realities of the world, rather than still being pissy about the fact that the federal government IS going to be involved in more than just defense and law enforcement.
go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The f**k Up " at me. it only makes my opinions Worse

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Re: If you don't vote Bernie, you're a moron.

Postby Philly » Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:09 am

go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The f**k Up " at me. it only makes my opinions Worse
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Re: If you don't vote Bernie, you're a moron.

Postby spacemonkey » Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:11 pm

**== GO TRUMP!! **== . Well, anyone but Shillary.
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Re: If you don't vote Bernie, you're a moron.

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Re: If you don't vote Bernie, you're a moron.

Postby donny4793 » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:03 pm

.....and if you do vote for him you're a child molester. I just love these accusations based on nothing more than delusional projection.
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Re: If you don't vote Bernie, you're a moron.

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Re: If you don't vote Bernie, you're a moron.

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Re: If you don't vote Bernie, you're a moron.

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