Obamacare Exchange Exceeds 6 Million Projection Last Night

[nordictruce]

This is just one of those things we are going to have to agree to disagree on. I'm not sold on the idea of having to subsidize someone else's poor ass to have insurance.

I don't mind paying taxes because taxes in a round about way, help me. They help build the roads I drive on, they help build the schools MY children will one day go to when I have them. I don't like the idea of paying for something I'm not going to get any benefit from whatsoever.


The GOP, on this one thing, would get alot further with me if they just came out and stated the 800 pound gorilla in the room: we don't feel that people who pay for insurance should also have to pay for people who can't afford insurance, and if that means we have a broke system, so be it. That's not fair to the people who pay insurance premiums every month.

[Philly]

[nordictruce]

IT's a trick question.


There is nothing you can do in the current system to "deal with it". The way you deal with it is to deal with the real problem, the health care industry as a whole. You can't deal with health insurance until you deal with health care costs as a whole.


The reason that we have so many uninsured people is because insurance is unaffordable for a lot of people. You don't fix it by making other people pay for it lol. You fix it by making it affordable.

[Philly]

[nordictruce]

We're saying the same thing.

You keep coming back to the poor people without insurance problem. I'm saying the reason they don't have insurance in the first place is because they can't afford it. The answer is not making them get insurance nor is it making me pay for their insurance. The answer is making it affordable.

By making it affordable, you open up a wide range of things that can be done. the ONLY reason single payer is not feasible now is because it would cost way too much. That's not even on the table until we bring down health care costs.


Before you deal with ANYTHING you have to deal with insurance costs , health care costs. Anything, including this we have now, is pissing in the proverbial wind


To use an analogy it would be like if 1. Obama decided that every american should have a car. But the ONLY cars that you could buy were 30k cars and above. Then Obama looking at the scope of the problem and saying okay, since you can't afford a 30k car, I'm going to tax everyone else so that you can go and buy a 30k car and have them pay for it. Yet democrats don't see a problem with this. The problem is not people not having cars, the problem is that the cars cost too damn much lol.

Your question to me is like saying "well what are you going to do when the the guy without a car has to travel from New York to Michigan" . The answer is still not to give everyone a 30k car lol. The answer is to make cars affordable.
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I don't think anyone is anti health insurance. I don't want poor people to not have insurance.

[Philly]

Single payer IS the way to make insurance more affordable.

[nordictruce]

NO it's not.

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Republican Reaction to Obamacare numbers

[The Dude]