It's time we act civilized and stop executing people

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[Dylan]

Don't know how either of these states define "direct" but I'm guessing it's more directorial than accepting money.

[Saz]

[exploited]

Sigh.

If I give money or assets to Al Qaeda, can I go to jail? Yes or no?

So if I give money or assets to a criminal organization, an act that is nearly always required for membership, is it not safe to say that you can be charged for belonging to a gang?

If the police can provide reasonable evidence that joining a particular gang requires committing a felony, would it not make sense to make joining that organization a crime in and of itself? Because you aren't just committing a crime, you are doing it in order to further the goals of a criminal organization - which is against the law in many states, as you've said yourself.

This is why I called it a "distinction without a difference." You are literally saying that it is okay to join a criminal organization, but not okay to do what is required to join a criminal organization.

[Saz]

[Saz]

[exploited]

God you're dumb.

YOU HAVE TO COMMIT A CRIME TO BE A MEMBER. YOU HAVE TO. IT ISN'T A MATTER OF OPINION. THE ORGANIZATIONS THEMSELVES REQUIRE IT.

If they didn't require it, they'd be f**k sideways by cops. They do it to have a prospect indict themselves. Now many gangs would adapt and stop doing stupid shit like wear insignia... This would prevent them from being deemed a gang. But such legislation would be extremely effective at breaking up biker gangs and the like, who tend to incorporate their assets and money, as well as make conspicuous displays of membership. It would require them to maintain personal control of assets and resources, which would make functioning as a gang extremely risky and prone to abuse.

And that's why your insistence that this is a freedom of association thing is so retarded. We aren't talking about high school kids who call themselves a gang. We are talking about actual financial entities, who are literally incorporated. Donating to them is required for membership. That donation is a crime. So, once again, a distinction without a difference.

[Saz]

[Dylan]

Just saying a gang generally requires a criminal action or financial donation wouldn't be enough to criminalize gang affiliation without running afoul of the 1A IMO.

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