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Re: Trump 'does not have a campaign'

Postby Saz » Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:03 am

DON'T BE A TOUGH GUY. DON'T BE A FOOL! I WILL CALL YOU LATER.
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Re: Trump 'does not have a campaign'

Postby ToddStarnes » Sat Jul 09, 2016 8:24 am

Really seeing the lack of any sort of campaign infrastructure as the right completely fails to take advantage of the FBI spending 15 minutes trashing HRC and the Dem State Department. Trump has so far been incapable of taking advantage of any of Clinton's missteps (and is doubling down on a lot of his own unforced errors).

Campaign is far from over but so far this is a pitiful showing.
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Re: Trump 'does not have a campaign'

Postby John Galt » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:26 am

yeah you're right. even JEB! would have been tearing into her over this in a real way, just hitting on how she couldn't be trusted to do the last government job she had because of her incompetence

HOWEVER, trump's message is that there must be an outsider because the system itself is broken. so why you see it as conspiracy he's stating this is just normal operating procedure for the political elite. and frankly he's not entirely wrong. the fbi even said as much, that if this was a different person it could have turned out differently. but it's hilldog, the presumptive nominee.

yes, to a normal person in a normal year, it would all be about her gross incompetence. they would just play and play the fbi's statements in ads until the republicans won. and probably after because republicans despise her. but this is trump and so his campaign is centered on outsider maverickery so thats the message hes hammering home. not that clinton was almost charged and the fbi was really careful because they didn't want recommend charges if they weren't 100% confident of a conviction, but, she did a lot of wrong stuff and we all know it, here's a clip of the FBI saying she was really bad. no no no no. they put the message that she was let off because of her status. because that's how it always goes in washington. the political elite who control everything get their way. again, trump isn't entirely off base here, and in general he's right* (e.g., congressmen's portfolios average better than people convicted of insider trading). and this speaks volumes to part of the population that feels entirely disenfranchised. you don't think they number enough to win, but, of course, you also didn't think they numbered enough to brexit. it's the same type of people, by and large, and if they come out to vote, god have mercy on this country

*and of course he's a conman who at best wants in on all that shit. i saw a liberal fantasy article in the NYT how he's going to find an excuse to drop out because he doesn't actually want to win he's been doing it for celebrity and is amazed his conjob hasn't been unmasked for what it is. but i think it is fantasy as the truth is so bad people are in panic mode http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/08/us/po ... .html?_r=0 STILL it would be amazing if he was gone between his win on Nov 8 and the date the electoral college meets on dec 19. holy f**k it would be amazing. alas. i do not think it will come to pass.
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Re: Trump 'does not have a campaign'

Postby ToddStarnes » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:45 am

No, I've learned my lesson on underestimating populist rage right now. Brexit and Trump's success in the primaries taught me some humility on that front :))

I get your point on his statements about the system being rigged, but that angle doesn't seem to be playing well and he really doesn't have the same team of surrogates and banner-carriers to repeat and amplify his message, which most nominees have. With a stronger centralized messaging strategy and a more active campaign infrastructure, he could also be blasting both messages effectively ("even the rigged system admits that she lied and they had enough evidence to prosecute, but they didn't because the elite are special" or something along those lines). Right now his tweets aren't cutting it out.
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Re: Trump 'does not have a campaign'

Postby spacemonkey » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:28 pm

Trump is probably relying on the integrity of the voters to sort things out. Same as Bernie was relying on the FBI to do its job. Both could be in for a let down. Bernie certainly was.
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Re: Trump 'does not have a campaign'

Postby Saz » Mon Jul 11, 2016 12:52 pm

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Re: Trump 'does not have a campaign'

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Re: Trump 'does not have a campaign'

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Re: Trump 'does not have a campaign'

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Re: Trump 'does not have a campaign'

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