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With the revelations over spying (as revealed by Snowden[1], and by Kim Dotcom in New Zealand[2]), are we living through the first stages of a police state, are we already in one, or is enough being done to scale back surveillance powers and protect privacy?

[1]NSA 'engaged in industrial espionage' - Snowden: http://www.bbc.com/news/25907502
Edward Snowden: US government spied on human rights workers: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... ts-workers

[2]New Zealand Police Used NSA PRISM Data To Nab Kim Dotcom: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-zeal ... z2zjlFyuzB
Kim Dotcom, Megaupload.com Founder, Alleges NSA Involvement In Copyright Case: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/0 ... 38915.html

Yes

rise of?

son it's here.

IBTL.

In before the no warrant search and indefinite detention without charges.

i don't think we're quite a police state yet, but we are definitely approaching one. unfortunately i don't think there's anyway out of it. we've become culturally inclined to support it. it's not just a matter of legislation at this point.

yeah but both of those groups believe in the "tough on crime" mantra liberals suburbanites and rednecks just believe in a handful of different things that they need to be tough on.