Drone use and redefining terms

by **exploited** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:02 pm

I don't think this demonstrates the need to throw out the rules of proportionality, so much as a need to recommit to upholding them.

by **The Dharma Bum** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:12 pm

apparently, drone strikes enjoy a high level of support among americans.

interesting to compare with the low level of support that Islamic militant groups have in majority muslim nations.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/mus ... st-groups/

by **uebermann** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:29 pm

by **uebermann** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:31 pm

by **Philly** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:14 pm

Ever since the invention of photography, technology has forced the average civilian to see a much more up close and personal war.

In Vietnam we saw footage on tv
In Iraq we saw even more than the news would have shown us thanks to the Internet.

But now drones use technology to further distance us from the horrors of war. I can see why the average citizen likes it.

by **exploited** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:38 am

by **Ben Huh** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:59 am

It's because Uber is right. Hamas and Israel lob roughly the same amount of bombs or missiles at one another, yet Israel is called disproportional and not Hamas. Should the Israeli military apologize for being more efficient. Let's not forget that the Allied Forces annihilated cities in Germany to break the Nazis' will to fight. Dresden was all but removed from existence; to top it off, the US f*cking nuked Japan....twice. That's Uber's point. Reasonable people may have a certain definition of proportionality on combat, but politicians and despots are not reasonable people and western nations absolutely drive the narrative of what proportionality means.

by **exploited** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:09 pm

by **Ben Huh** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:20 pm

Yeah, let's ignore WW2 and the colonialist history of the five allied nations that were victorious in that war and how those five permanent nations went on to design the UN and Geneva Conventions in an image they chose, ran by regulations they passed. Russia invades the Ukraine and cities get destroyed, mass graves are being found, but where is the disproportionality argument when a super power like Russia invades the Ukraine? Nowhere. "Proportionality" is superpower BS to describe the actions of lesser nations.