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Re: Supreme Court Allows Unbelievable Breach of Privacy

Postby uebermann » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:20 pm

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Re: Supreme Court Allows Unbelievable Breach of Privacy

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Re: Supreme Court Allows Unbelievable Breach of Privacy

Postby exploited » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:22 pm

From The Atlantic:

"The five Justices who supported the ruling — conservatives Roberts, Thomas, and Alito, along with Kennedy and the typically liberal Breyer — determined that such a system was akin to fingerprinting, with one exception. "The only difference between DNA analysis and fingerprint databases is the unparalleled accuracy DNA provides." Taking samples from those in custody, then, didn't comprise a suspect's Constitutional rights.

The dissent — representing the unusual coalition of Justices Scalia, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan — strongly disagreed. "The Court’s assertion that DNA is being taken, not to solve crimes, but to identify those in the State’s custody, taxes the credulity of the credulous." And:

[T]he Court’s comparison of Maryland’s DNA searches to other techniques, such as fingerprinting, can seem apt only to those who know no more than today’s opinion has chosen to tell them about how those DNA searches actually work.
In other words, first, the dissent argues that this is not an identification tool but rather an investigative one, with which the four Justices take issue. Second, it argues that the complexity and involvement of DNA analysis makes it qualitatively different than fingerprinting.

Scalia's dissent ends with an admonition that may prove telling (and will certainly provide fodder to privacy advocates). Suggesting that the "serious offenses" distinction is a poor guidepost, he writes:

As an entirely predictable consequence of today’s decision, your DNA can be taken and entered into a national DNA database if you are ever arrested, rightly or wrongly, and for whatever reason.

If you're wondering, the FBI has maintained a database of fingerprints since 1924."
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Re: Supreme Court Allows Unbelievable Breach of Privacy

Postby Stratego » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:38 pm

Sigmund Freud defined four parts of a psyche; the id, the ego, the superego and the stratego. The Stratego being the highest form of morality and scientific thinking.

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Re: Supreme Court Allows Unbelievable Breach of Privacy

Postby Ben Huh » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:48 pm

They could potentially be arguing that it is not a breach so long as the results of the swab are only used to identify people, meaning that if you swab someone you can't use that DNA as evidence for anything other than proving identification. You wouldn't be able to get it drug tested or use it in criminal court, strictly ID purposes. Under that I can kind of side with the ruling, however I do not exactly see them sticking to that and can see this being used as a backdoor way to get evidence of other crimes.
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Re: Supreme Court Allows Unbelievable Breach of Privacy

Postby The Dharma Bum » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:53 pm

It's unconstitutional. They are asking that individuals provide evidence against themselves.
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Re: Supreme Court Allows Unbelievable Breach of Privacy

Postby Ben Huh » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:01 pm

..."if the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of a divine reward, then brother, that person is a piece of shit."
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Re: Supreme Court Allows Unbelievable Breach of Privacy

Postby The Dharma Bum » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:04 pm

There's no difference. It's evidence that can be used to convict you and it is therefore illegal for the government to demand that you to provide it and that is all there is to it.
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Re: Supreme Court Allows Unbelievable Breach of Privacy

Postby eynon81 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:10 pm

Ugh...I just can't see it being that different than collecting finger prints, no matter how much I want to be against this decision.
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Re: Supreme Court Allows Unbelievable Breach of Privacy

Postby Ben Huh » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:12 pm

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