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Re: Muslim-Smearing Will Win Us the White House!

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Re: Muslim-Smearing Will Win Us the White House!

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Re: Muslim-Smearing Will Win Us the White House!

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Re: Muslim-Smearing Will Win Us the White House!

Postby Lobster » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:50 pm

Technically Christianity is more of a pantheistic religion, when you take the Trinity into account, not to mention the worship of Saints in many denominations. I am not actually a militant atheist, as some of my posts here may suggest. I consider myself to be an agnostic. I can see the value in spirituality and mysticism. But Abrahamic religions in particular have always been just as much political philosophies as spiritual ones. In the "west" they have largely been pushed aside from any sort of political power by Enlightenment values like separation of church and state. In the muslim world even the most laid-back "democracies" are basically theocracies, with an endorsed State religion, the Quran and Islam being enshrined in constitutions as the primary guiding documents of governance.
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Even in the US, which I would characterize as one of the most bible thumping nations of the "western" world, religion is largely given lip service to, mostly during election runs. This may get me some flak, but when it comes to politics Americans have a tendency to unrationally worship a rather different document, i.e the Constitution. Dominionists for example are a small fragment of right-wing extremists without much support or political pull, yet they are the closest in political ideology to the average muslim country.

(P.S: notably absent from that map is Israel, which DOES have a State Religion, no matter how vaguely they sidestep around the definition.)
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Re: Muslim-Smearing Will Win Us the White House!

Postby Indy » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:50 pm

Trust me guys I am not a fan of Islam or religion in general.

However I also tend to believe in this thing called America and I thought the idea was that it doesn't matter who/what you are as long as you want what's best for the country.

When it starts getting to the point that Reza is being literally dismissed out of hand by some dingbat who's only qualification is she thinks Muslims are Those People, that's a road we don't want to go down. One of xenophobia and ignorance and witch-burnings.

The sickest irony is that you know could provide Americans with the most balanced description of Islam, including criticism?

Reza Aslan.

At the same time, while I'm not a fan or religion I do tend to believe in a higher power. That said, I really do get Bill Maher's critiques of religion because let's face it, he makes a solid argument. Of course it's no surprise that these people hate people like... Bill Maher.

What I'm trying to understand is if the Christian extremists who feast on anti-Muslim xenophobia are aware of the irony that they... are doing the same thing as the anti-Christian/Jew Muslim extremists?

Usually when you say that you'll hear "Well, they're not flying planes into buildings."

Not yet, they're not.

Anyway, the more this goes on the more I understand that the underlying strategy is: fear. For years it was fears of the terrorists, but nowadays it's like a collection of go-to suspects which are interchangeable.

And I'm not sure that fearmongering-as-ideology is going to pay off.
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Re: Muslim-Smearing Will Win Us the White House!

Postby PoS » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:52 pm

With Fox being so anti-Muslim Im surprised why they havent advocated for Anders Breivik's release from prison- he would make an awesome Fox news commentator.

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Re: Muslim-Smearing Will Win Us the White House!

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Re: Muslim-Smearing Will Win Us the White House!

Postby The Comrade » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:53 pm

can't really call christianity pantheistic because of the trinity and praying to saints. the church makes it clear that it's god in three forms, and since there's no doctrinal iconoclasm, praying to saints isn't against church dogma, while that same dogma states there is only one god and no others.

i mean, buddhism has saints too. to say buddhism is polytheistic doesn't make much sense.
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Re: Muslim-Smearing Will Win Us the White House!

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Re: Muslim-Smearing Will Win Us the White House!

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