Perfect illustration of Conservatism's fatal contradiction

[laelan51]

Gentlemen, the term "fascism" (based on the bundle of sticks carried by the roman civil authority to administer street justice to erroring citizens and slaves) is purely meant to indicate the synthesis (joining together) of the political institutions and bigmen (lugal in Summerian, civilization is driven by unique individuals) and the largest corporate entities in a self -empowering feedback loop. The politicians make rules that benefit their corporate sponsors in the business world against the smaller business entities, and the sponsors keep their political puppets in power( thus you have Bush-Obama shuttling mega-billions of tax and FED funny money to Wall Street banker/corporate elites and in return, the pol's coffers remain flush).

[laelan51]

And there is literally nothing "Conservative" in the classic sense to Fascism. American Fascism is the result of the ex-Puritan Progressive Movement's(don't believe in God anymore but still believe in forsing everybody else to follow their concepts of proper behavior by government fiat) seizure of power in the mid 19th and early 20th century. Rockefeller Plaza is an artistic paeon to Fascism. The Roosevelt-Rockefeller-Kennedy Eastern Establishment Elite were in love with Mussolini and German economic reality, they financed them.

[laelan51]

The only reason fascism and communism clashed is the same reason two separate thug drug-dealer gangs shoot it out in L.A., they want the same turf. Fascist bosses are currently in charge in ex-Soviet(in name only) Russian territories. They planned in advance to dissolve their original corporate entity and divide the spoils between them while reaping continued largess taken from the American people through taxes and FED inflation from their co-conspirators who own the FED and Demapublican Party. Putin, boss of the KGB(same thing, new name) is in charge(capi di tuti capi) of keeping order and discipline among the beneficiaries of the division of spoils, the whole wealth stolen by the communists from the people and labor in the "old" Soviet gang turf. The "Russian Mafia" is the KGB lower ranks branching out to take what they can, sponsored by their bosses, the new Russian (ex-KGB) billionaires. Franklin(traitor)Roosevelt crushed the anti-war opposition with "pearl Harbor", One of his greatest works, and rushed to save his crony Stalin from bad boy Hitler, who violated the Soviet/Nazi Pact to divide Europe between them. And FDR was as Fascist as Mussolini.

[laelan51]

P.S. It was cousin Abe who violated the Constitution and started the war of Northern Aggression. Yes, it is true that the 5% planter elite controlled most of the south(with many exceptions like my ancestors' region of west North Carolina and east Tennessee) but it was Abe who forced the issue to save the agricultural South markets for the exploitation as before by the Eastern/Mid-Western banker-manufacturer-railroad interest who elected him. Read actual history and you will also benefit from the family tales of anti-slavery ex southern refugees who fought with their Sovereign States to stop the un-Constitutional(it was common for New England to threaten secession right up to the war to get their way in Congress) actions, and they were many, of the President who was elected by minority vote. I doubt my ancestors even voted for their second cousin, principle over blood.

[The Comrade]

robodoon is that you?

[exploited]

Don't interrupt. This is too good.

Continue, Robodoon.

[eynon81]

[eynon81]

[Davethulhu]

People who know little about the civil war are sure it was about slavery.
People who have some basic knowledge of it are sure it was about tariffs and states rights.
People who have in-depth knowledge are sure it was about slavery.

[laelan51]

The War Between the States, to the Southern Planters was about retaining their chattel property and their control over the majority poor whites. To the waves of new immigrants it was the key to American identity for some and the Establishments' war to flood the labor market with freed black labor to undercut their wages(thus the whole Northern states' laws to disenfranchise or outright deny entry to free blacks).To the majority of poor to middle whites in the South and the mid -South and most of the North, it was about the New York-Ohio-New England banker-corporate-railroad elites' drive to Nationalize the government(replace the old Federal separation of powers, or states rights). To the Radical Abolitionists it was to free the slaves and punish by all means their hated "Southern White" enemies. To my cousin Abe it was overriding the Constitution to impose the will of the Eastern Elites mandate that all power must concentrate in their hands through their chosen politicians and their tariff and National monopoly-capitalism. To the Hollywood division of the last mentioned ethos, it was all about freeing the slaves and all white people are still guilty after 600,000 casualties and after 150 years or about, in my family descended from the southern and western abolishionists and some just arrived and still in Britain white immigrants, NINE generations, including some black mixed descendants. To me it was all of the above(except the guilt) as it should be to any THINKING PERSON.