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Re: Is feminism becoming an obsolete movement?

Postby eric » Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:53 pm

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

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Re: Is feminism becoming an obsolete movement?

Postby exploited » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:11 pm

I agree. I can't take feminism seriously because it doesn't take itself seriously. Advocating for more female video game characters and lamenting on how sexually repressed women are simply does not strike me as a serious ideology, especially considering the truly massive inequalities faced by men in the courts.

92% of custody cases are resolved in favour of the woman. A man who is accused of the same crime as a woman is four to six times more likely to be convicted, and will receive a drastically harsher sentence. Television shows and movies routinely glorify female-on-male violence.

And if you want to talk about sexual repression, let's talk about how gays are treated differently than lesbians, by men and women alike, as eric pointed out. Or let's talk about the pressures men are under to perform sexually - go talk to a guy who suffers premature ejaculation and find out what his partner and her friends say about that behind his back. I've witnessed such behaviour countless times, but I don't talk about "matriarchy," I just shrug it off as run-of-the-mill human douchebaggery.

Or maybe we should talk about how men who are raped are treated.

If feminism wants to be relevant, it has to concern itself with all gender roles, not just 50% of them. Right now, feminists are not doing that... actually, quite the opposite. Go to a Men's Rights lecture and watch as the people involved are heckled relentlessly, even when their points are right on the mark.
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Re: Is feminism becoming an obsolete movement?

Postby eric » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:13 pm

Take a look at this seemingly innocent painting.

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Of course it's a man with a knife about to kill a woman/rob her. Men are bad and dangerous and commit all the crimes.
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Re: Is feminism becoming an obsolete movement?

Postby The Comrade » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:26 pm

if you try to couch feminism in "gender equality" you're being disingenuous as feminism is a gendered word, both in connotation and literal meaning. if your goal truly is gender equality, you would be a different ism.
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Re: Is feminism becoming an obsolete movement?

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Re: Is feminism becoming an obsolete movement?

Postby The Comrade » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:38 pm

i like egalitarianism but feminists are already launching a campaign to equate that word with sexism and racism and all sorts of dumb shit so i doubt it'll ever catch on outside of anthropology.
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Re: Is feminism becoming an obsolete movement?

Postby Hyperion » Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:03 pm

The real issue here is that feminism has bred an apathy towards gender politics. When at every turn someone who doesn't tote the line is deemed a sexist or chauvinist, rational people turn off. It requires way too much investment to be a feminist. This is a sad state of affairs because there's a real need to address transsexuality, bisexuality, poly-relationships, and other topics that are currently swept under the rug for the sake of complacency.

The concept of a patriarchy is misaligned even with stated goals. If gender is more fluid than just male or female - which I believe - then you can't simply reduce or alleviate someone's status as oppressed or an oppressor by their genitalia. In almost all aspects a gay man experiences more discrimination than a straight or lesbian woman. He is more excluded by the realm of 'civilized, normal' culture and is still haunted by the HIV/AID epidemic (which never really affected lesbians to the same extent).

And that is why feminism is really just mocked as a movement for privileged white women. It invokes no concept of cultural appreciation or (god forbid) hefty skepticism. Masculinism does seem a little ridiculous but unfortunately it's the only outlet men currently have to express their fears and desires when they're excluded from participating.
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Re: Is feminism becoming an obsolete movement?

Postby The Comrade » Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:07 pm

like i said on page one, intersectionalism is a joke when it comes to feminism. it's too inconvenient to their "smash patriarchy" mantra if they also have to worry about tearing down racial stereotypes and eliminating class structure as forms of oppression. oppression by patriarchy, and only patriarchy, is far easier.
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Re: Is feminism becoming an obsolete movement?

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