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Re: Why is the West supporting an apartheid vision of Israel

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Re: Why is the West supporting an apartheid vision of Israel

Postby The Dharma Bum » Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:46 pm

Also you will be happy to know that Israel and Russia have a joint deal to manufacture and supply weapons to China.
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/x238.html

had to add that into the mix :D
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Re: Why is the West supporting an apartheid vision of Israel

Postby exploited » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:39 pm

Christian Zionism isn't some made-up Jew-hating conspiracy. It has been around for nearly two hundred years. It used to go by Restorationism. A few of these members believe that it is part of biblical prophecy regarding the apocalypse. Most believe that it is their Christian duty to help restore Israel. The latter belief has been common amongst Protestants since the Reformation. Here is a somewhat famous Catholic on the matter... John F. Kennedy:

"Prophecy is a Jewish tradition, and the World Zionist movement, in which all of you have played so important :(( a role, has continued this tradition. It has turned the dreams of its leaders into acts of statesmanship. It has converted the hopes of the Jewish people into concrete facts of life.

When the first Zionist conference met in 1897, Palestine was a neglected wasteland. A few scattered Jewish colonies had resettled there, but they had come to die in the Holy Land, rather than to make it live again in greatness. Most of the governments of the world were indifferent.

But now all is changed. Israel became a triumphant and enduring reality exactly 50 years after Theodore Herzl, the prophet of Zionism, had proclaimed the ideal of nationhood. It was the classic case of an ancient dream finding a young leader, for Herzl was then only 37 years of age. Perhaps I may be allowed the observation that the Jewish people - ever since David slew Goliath - have never considered youth as a barrier to leadership, or measured experience and maturity by mere length of day."

Going way back to John Adams:

"Farther I could find it in my heart to wish that you had been at the head of a hundred thousand Israelites ... and marching with them into Judea and making a conquest of that country andrestoring your nation to the dominion of it. For I really wish the Jews again in Judea an independent nation. [I believe ... once restored to an independent government & no longer persecuted they [the Jews] would soon wear away some of the asperities and peculiarities of their character & possibly in time become liberal Unitarian christians for your Jehovah is our Jehovah & your God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is our God.]"

Moving forward to Warren Harding:

"It is impossible for one who has studied at all the services of the Hebrew people to avoid the faith that they will one day be restored to their historic national home and there enter on a new and yet greater phase of their contribution to the advance of humanity."

John Quincy Adams... Herbert Hoover... Abraham Lincoln... Dwight Eisenhower... And many more have supported Zionism. It was a fairly common religious belief. Not a sinister conspiracy.

As for Russia I still haven't heard a reason why they'd ally with Israel. For what reason? How do they benefit at all?
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Re: Why is the West supporting an apartheid vision of Israel

Postby The Comrade » Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:51 pm

wait is dharma denying that russians, indeed slavs in general, have a problem with antisemitism?

the previous prime minister of ukraine was accused of being an armenian jew and all hell broke loose. don't even pretend antisemitism isn't a problem in eastern europe just because some jews are eastern european.
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Re: Why is the West supporting an apartheid vision of Israel

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Re: Why is the West supporting an apartheid vision of Israel

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Re: Why is the West supporting an apartheid vision of Israel

Postby The Comrade » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:44 pm

russia has an oblast dedicated to jews unlike racist america.

game. set. match.

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Re: Why is the West supporting an apartheid vision of Israel

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Re: Why is the West supporting an apartheid vision of Israel

Postby The Comrade » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:08 pm

you're aware pogrom is a russian word, right?
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Re: Why is the West supporting an apartheid vision of Israel

Postby The Dharma Bum » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:10 pm

Yes, that is so, but is a pogrom happening in Russia at this time?

Not so much
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