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Re: Russian vassalization of Ukraine

Postby The Dharma Bum » Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:44 pm

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Re: Russian vassalization of Ukraine

Postby The Comrade » Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:45 pm

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Re: Russian vassalization of Ukraine

Postby The Dharma Bum » Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:04 pm

I just showed a BBC report where they literally interviewed neo-nazi street fighters at the scene in Ukraine.

The episode with the snipers has been proven by intercepted phone records. US diplomats have been putting extreme pressure on their EU counterparts for results and this is the result. This additional conversation between US and EU diplomats is also recorded and thus a matter of public record.

It's not up to me to prove any of this anymore because it's well established in the mainstream media. It's now up to you to prove that the western free trade bloc actually has a valid justification to prevent the partition of Crimea from Ukraine and is doing anything other than taking an opportunity to take advantage of another country that is in distress.

These other guys are just ignorant, you should know better than to think any of this neo-con style foreign policy has any legitimate basis.

Shame on you.

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Re: Russian vassalization of Ukraine

Postby exploited » Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:26 pm

I think Russia is a rational actor. But I am deeply suspicious of any claim that they will remain that way for long after NATO attacks their troops in Ukraine and Russia. Or maybe a better way of saying it is that it would be irrational for Putin to do nothing.

The same guy who thinks Putin is going to take over the region is now skeptical that he will fight when confronted with force. And of course you only want to view Russia as the new USSR when it fits your argument - when it doesn't, they become bitchmade retards who would allow their troops to be killed under six hours away from Moscow, and then do nothing as a NATO force occupies Ukraine.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: your opinion is retarded. There is a reason why nobody anywhere has suggested military action. You were wrong, stupid to suggest it, get over it. It doesn't have to be a total war scenario to be have terrible consequences, and only a fool would suggest it won't.
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Re: Russian vassalization of Ukraine

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Re: Russian vassalization of Ukraine

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Re: Russian vassalization of Ukraine

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Re: Russian vassalization of Ukraine

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Re: Russian vassalization of Ukraine

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Re: Russian vassalization of Ukraine

Postby exploited » Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:49 am

Oh yes, Putin will be engaging in all sorts of terrible behavior. I have no doubt. Of course I can be opposed to the West doing certain things while also not wanting to go to war to prevent Russia from doing the same things. Only a lunatic would conflate military inaction with endorsement, unless of course you are arguing that you endorse, say, North Korea, on the grounds that you aren't suggesting we invade.

This past two weeks has been your worst performance in PCF history. You must be truly embarrassed to be the only person who has consistently presented false choices, made outrageous conclusions (my favorite was the "Oh so you don't want war over this, I guess that means you don't care if Russia takes over Europe"), and generally behaved like a jacked-up Sarah Palin. It is actually funny at this point - as in, I'm laughing at you, and that is sad considering I'm half pissed at 2PM on a Monday.
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