That is a weird interpretation of what I said.
the development of a society that allowed private enterprise wasn't a conscious decision lol
it is a consequence of many forces shaping the course of human development, we can only begin to understand what happened with the benefit of hindsight
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Re: most serene republic of venice rises
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Re: most serene republic of venice rises
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Re: most serene republic of venice rises
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Re: most serene republic of venice rises
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by The Dharma Bum » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:58 pm
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Re: most serene republic of venice rises
by The Comrade » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:03 pm
jesus christ.
THE HOLY SEE is a religious institution, the PAPAL STATES were a feudal territory. the pope was both duke and bishop when the papal states were around. so call it a theocratic duchy if you want, it was most certainly feudalism.
and that cities became involved in commerce does not negate the feudalism in them. venice was a trade "republic" but they still had nobility, and they still had fiefs, who still pledged themselves to the doge. levies were still raised, taxes still levied, so on and so forth.
if anything, the HRE was even more like this. city states were very rarely completely free. they almost always were either bishoprics or fiefs.
THE HOLY SEE is a religious institution, the PAPAL STATES were a feudal territory. the pope was both duke and bishop when the papal states were around. so call it a theocratic duchy if you want, it was most certainly feudalism.
and that cities became involved in commerce does not negate the feudalism in them. venice was a trade "republic" but they still had nobility, and they still had fiefs, who still pledged themselves to the doge. levies were still raised, taxes still levied, so on and so forth.
if anything, the HRE was even more like this. city states were very rarely completely free. they almost always were either bishoprics or fiefs.
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