Downs Syndrome Man Threatened with DNR

[The Dharma Bum]

I'm bored with your ad homs, moving the goalposts, false accusations etc already so don't worry about it.

You can't seem to have a discussion without sprinkling it with ad homs. I never put any words in your mouth, I simply pointed out the ramifications of what you said.

If you cannot see that the concept of personhood is a completely subjective social designation that changes depending on the culture making the designation you aren't being objective nor are you using logic properly. I'll just leave it at that.

[Boris Johnson]

Might I suggest the categorization of a: Morally relevant physical property? I have a snappier term for it but i'm worried about tripping a certain universities plagiarism detection software.

[JDHURF]

[The Dharma Bum]

Oh bullshit.

The perception of of personhood is a cultural and social belief. To some groups you aren't a person unless you have been initiated into their tribe, others happily accept animals and machinery into the fold.

You are simply trying to use a pseudo scientific inference about some objective qualities that exist in most organisms to justify a cultural belief you have.

[JDHURF]

Brilliant response: "oh bullshit." Just brilliant. I was so wrong about your ignorance of these subjects.

I will simply repeat: Person-hood is defined by consciousness, self-awareness, autonomy and sentience. These are objective criteria that can be scientifically measured. These are all just plain facts that cannot be denied by any thinking person. That you would argue these things are all just subjective indicates to me that you don't have any knowledge of the relevant subjects.

Various different cultures may define person-hood differently, but different cultures also view evolution differently, that doesn't mean that there is no objective basis to evolution, it just means that some cultures are far behind others in scientific literacy and intelligence. Evolution and ethics are not dictated by the whims of some "culture" - a term, I agree with Chomsky, should be put in the same category as unicorns - they are dictated by the methods of logic and science, various "cultures" distorted view of them be damned.

That your response to this is "oh bullshit" is very illustrative of your ignorance of the relevant subjects.

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[The Dharma Bum]

[Daktoria]

Only a racist would interpret personhood as an objective fact. It rings of craniometry.

Burden of proof is on the affirmative. Preborns don't affirm themselves, so they're entitled to the benefit of the doubt. They aren't obligated to prove themselves to anyone else's satisfaction before being treated with respect.

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None of that made the remotest atom of sense.

Everything you've posted has been a complete mess. English may not be your first language, but that's no excuse for posting the kind of bilge you've been doing.

[JDHURF]

edited: combining posts