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Re: If You're Into Graham Crackers...

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Postby Saz » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:18 pm

Yes it's functionally identical.

No I don't view the statement as acceptable.

But I don't think they should be fired for it. Both comments are ignorant, but you should not be fired for holding ignorant viewpoints to the extent it doesn't affect your job. I don't care if you are a klan member on your own time. Williams may be scared of Arabs on planes, and jimmy may think Texas is on the west coast. Both are dumb, but neither deserves to be fired unless they are working for an Arab airline based out of Dallas.
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Postby exploited » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:26 pm

As already noted, it did affect Williams job, because it caused such an extreme reaction. Call people too sensitive if you want, but there are very few workplaces that would tolerate that kind of talk, and rightfully so. It undermines the companies brand, it promotes division in the workplace, and it targets a minority based upon unfounded stereotypes. Ultimately the right choice was made. I don't know about you but I expect the highest level of professionalism from my employees, and these comments were not professional at all.

I don't care what my employees do away from work, provided they keep it to themselves. Want to go to a KKK rally? Fine, but if you get busted with a sign that says "Blacks get out" and this negatively impacts my business, you're done.
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Postby Saz » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:33 pm

And it negatively impacts your business. That's the key point though. If it's offensive and doesn't harm the business, no problem. So it's not that the language is offensive, it's that it hurts the business.
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Re: If You're Into Graham Crackers...

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Re: If You're Into Graham Crackers...

Postby Saz » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:58 pm

Lol no. Are you going to fire your CEO because he is a sox fan and most people in the office like the Yankees?

This is stupid. If you can articulate a justifiable business reason for them being fired, go ahead. Otherwise you are going to have a wrongful termination suit to deal with, which is ALWAYS more expensive for the company. This is why your stance is absurd. For low level employees, it's always going to be more costly to risk a lawsuit, which isn't good for the business. For on air talent, CEOs, and other public facing jobs, you will have backlash. I know the Juan Williams thing was pretty much the end of NPR for me. As Philly pointed out, if they wanted him gone there were better ways to do it that wouldn't have alienated listeners.

If you terminate people for offensive language, it had better be obviously offensive. Otherwise, the business reason you articulate for firing them gets turned upside down, and firing them actively harms your bottom line. You aren't even honest enough to address my hypo though. You are just going to pretend it's always the best business decision to fire offensive people, when in fact that's almost never the case.
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Re: If You're Into Graham Crackers...

Postby Professor » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:37 pm

Really? I can't believe Honey Maid. What a crock. That's just so wrong!!

I mean, paying 2 art students to sit around, cutting paper, then gluing it together all day long.

What a waste of money.
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Re: If You're Into Graham Crackers...

Postby Aaron » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:11 pm

I like it in general, but I especially like the the fact that it got a sour response from galt
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Re: If You're Into Graham Crackers...

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