Resolved: America is fundamentally a Latin country

[gla22]

[The Comrade]

our culture being unique isn't unique. french is as unique to italian as american is.

that said, that immigrant free-for-all is what formed a lot of culture, and largely it was northern europeans who did it. i'd honestly argue the US is being less influenced by immigrants today because we're moving away from a melting pot and more to a culturally pluralistic or (hopefully not) a multicultural society.

[Saz]

[The Comrade]

england has shifted its culture practically every century due to invasions, religious upheaval, barbarians, etc. germany has done the same thing, and germany is not one homogenous culture. if anything, europe has far more regional diversity than america. what you're doing is looking at the pluralism of the US and just ignoring it in europe, despite your insistence that you don't think they're homogenous.

[gla22]

[gla22]

[The Comrade]

[gla22]

[The Comrade]

[broken robot]

now the question is what all this has to do with Marxism. because it's starting to sound a lot like debates in the early 20th century about the "national question," including what criteria define a nation. otto bauer and later Tom nairn and Benedict Anderson. some of this stuff can be applied mechanically (language, "culture," territory, etc.) but what would you then say defines a nation. how are we even measuring cultural influence in the makeup of a nation? Is it just the self definition of a bunch of elites and academics that ascribe to the myth of the founding fathers? can popular culture extend beyond and even contradict dominant nationalist assumptions?

again, how are we even determining the boundaries of this unit, the American nation.