Downs Syndrome Man Threatened with DNR

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All you need do is answer my points properly, because you haven't.

For example, JDHRF claimed that Terry Schiavo wasn't a person and took his argument from there, but Mrs Schiavo was certainly a person, which made his argument nonsense.

He also claimed that foetuses had personhood status in Chile, which they don't.

All of you seem to be claiming that natural personhood doesn't depend solely on being born alive, when it patently does.

You need to take that into consideration to have a decent discussion. You should be discussing why natural personhood begins at birth and why you believe it shouldn't, of that's what you do believe.

You most certainly should not apply laws that only pertain to people to foetuses, because your argument immediately fails.

I see a lot of muddled thinking going on here, which in my opinion would be better off being taken to the philosophy category and thrashed out there.

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Giving up on oxbridge notes now are we.


So... shall we... maybe... go back to you finding the actual bits on the law. Or are you just not going to do that. That after all is my contension, you've not backed your 'I am stating the facts of the law' claim up, with any actual law.


And frankly, i've made my case plain as day several pages back. You haven't touched it. You just keep going on with this 'I haz facts' crap.

Finally, claiming you've defeated JD, oh boy.. in alphabetical order: arrogant, absurd, pretentious, smug.

This could all stop, and we could all have a reasonable discussion, hell the abortion sub-forum might actually be better this go around of PCF. If you'd drop the dogmatic crap and stop presenting yourself as an infallible source of truth on this matter. Its been demonstrated now, quite a few times. That is not the case.

Because unless one of things 2 happen, I fail to see the point in pretending this is a debate and your a rational debater.

1) Admitting your wrong
2) Substantiating your opinion.

Beyond that, I'm going just go back to talking to JD and anyone else who wants to behave like a normal rational fallible person and debate the finer points of the ethics surrounding personhood. You can rant away to yourself in the corner about how you have all the facts and how everyone else is 'muddled in their thinking' if you want I suppose.

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