NRA: Guns for Stalkers/Abusers OK, 1st Amendment Not OK

[The Dharma Bum]

[eynon81]

[exploited]

Domestic violence and stalking are different beasts altogether. Only half of stalking revolves around past partners. Further, the evidence required to prove stalking is far harder to compile. Some dude smacks a chick, there will be marks. There may be eye witnesses. But stalking cases require surveillance. Video evidence. Movement logs, eyewitness testimony establishing a routine harassment, etc.

I have no idea why you are conflating the two. It is bewildering. LEOs most certainly haven't done all they can do. Most reports are made over the phone and the alleged victim never even sees a cop. If they do, they are advised to make the case themselves, by keeping a diary and using video evidence. Of course that isn't enough for a conviction. So what you need is a restraining order - if it is ex parte, you'll be able to do something, if it requires a hearing with evidence, you're screwed. All of this being far more grievious to an innocent accused rights than simply having police investigate properly.

[eynon81]

[exploited]

Again, I don't know why you are talking about domestic violence. It is entirely different from stalking. And I never said a person had to f**k someone to be accused of DV.

Protection orders are easy to get. But protection orders are also a really terrible mechanism because they are broken about half the time, and they are pretty unfair if you are an innocent accused. A better route is for police to actually investigate such cases, instead of forcing people to get a protection order that doesn't prevent the real problems while also creating new problems of its own.

Electronic evidence comes from exactly the type of stalker I am least concerned about.

[eynon81]

[exploited]

[eynon81]

[exploited]

It isn't a reality. As is quite obvious by the fact that stalking is increasing and 1 in 6 women, as well as 1 in 19 men, will be stalked at least once in their lives. Yet convictions remain low because there isn't enough resources for investigations and because the uniform treatment of a dude who sends too many text messages and a dude who follows a chick for ten year sets the evidentiary bar too high. Whereas restraining orders set it too low. This is why I want a dual misdemeanor and felony charge, with appropriate resources being put into place.

[Philly]

Where did you get those stats ex?