Nobody Could Have Imagined: 9/11 Narrative Just Blew Up

[Indy]

[cpicturetaker12]

Whoops! I apologize, I just posted a similar article. I didn't see this one. IT'S AS IMPORTANT SUBJECT AS ANY OUT THERE. I think 2 threads running is
not too much.

[Indy]

[cpicturetaker12]

regarded a 9/11-style attack as so likely that defending against it should be a top priority in rethinking our entire approach to national security.

I believe it was Richard Clark (Clinton anti-terorrist point man) himself that told Condi Rice face to face during the transitioning of the 2 administrations that her/their focus needed to be BIN LADEN, BIN LADEN, BIN LADEN. (As I remember, when asked about this, she didn't remember it!)

[Indy]

Yes he did and I read his book about it but Clarke was slagged off as merely a liberal Clinton hack taking shots at the Bush administration because he's a partisan.

There was also a story about somebody (could have been him, maybe somebody else) being told by Ashcroft that he didn't want to hear about this AQ shit anymore, prior to 9/11.

So while Clarke was slagged off as a partisan, not so easy to do here with Tenet. Although like with so many things: why did he wait so long to come out with this?

[John Galt]

the terrorism coming from isis isn't the same. al-queada had a network it worked with. isis is just like, "come to the islamic state, we teach you how to kill the infidel. then you go plan your own thing"

with the french attacks ISIS' days are numbered. fighting an insurgency requires lots of troops. we we half hearted throughout. perhaps with more resolved european allies this time we can make things right, and end this threat. nato will respond in force and no longer will there be this training ground, and hopefully, if there is a terrorist organization, it becomes more of the command cell structure of al-queada again, because we actually can get more intel

but as for the first post... could you imagine just bombing afganistan before hand? what else does war footing mean? and would it even accomplish anything? even if it did, i think we'd still be going over the same shit today. we would have destablized the region still. if there's a vague notion of a threat the only thing you could do is just glass afganistan or something just to be sure. what do you want? NSA snooping everything? blame them for being incompetant, blame them for violating privacy, blame them for not knowing what was happening, blame them for everything... what would you have even suggested?

[lnrw]

The US is eternally on a war time footing. It has troops in more countries, prepared and ready to kill, maim, bomb and subjugate than the next 25 countries added together. Probably more. Right next door in Mexico, Central and South America, we have shooting wars of our own making and on our behalf. This will not end well, soon, painlessly or easily. And most certainly not without great personal loss of liberty and property to all of us, should we continue down the same insane path.

The lunatics are running the asylum.

The US a war machine.

It just didn't come home noticeably until 9/11. Even then, great pains were taken to keep it hidden from sight. Such as the clandestine coffin repatriation of soldiers dead bodies. Press complicity and silence on foreign actions, such as Mexico and Columbia. Gary Webb stimulate anyone's memory?

With all the attendant corruption, power grabs and failure that necessarily accompanies such massive government and massive government undertakings, thoroughly punished and ostracised whistle blowers, that it should be impossible not to notice what's going on. But collectively, we just whistle in the dark or pretend we have been left in the dark and can't comprehend what the elites are doing to us and the world. That somehow, it will all work out to our ultimate benefit. it won't.

Either people begin to realise that these ISIS and AQ threats are blowback and the direct results of unbelievably flawed foreign and domestic policy, propagated by idiots that shouldn't be allowed out of the house without handcuffs and close supervision, or we continue on the same destructive path until ruin.

Now, that the psychopaths have been unleashed into the general population, I can't imagine how to end the threats without total annihilation. ROEs and Geneva conventions will do nothing against these rubble rats. They will just crawl from the rubble and begin again.

[John Galt]

i dont think ISIS is blowback. al-queada was/is, but ISIS has its own agenda, and that agenda is the creation of a pan afroeurasian caliphate and the destruction of western civilization in favor of islamic civilization

i will agree that the US is constantly on war footing. ever since WWII we've been hyper vigilant against threats and have a unique position in the world to be able to deal with many of them simultaneously even when large, so lots of countries rely on the US as a constabulary force, but damn us if everything is not done completely correctly

[lnrw]

[John Galt]

yeah i can agree to that. the US took on the charge itself, because europe was in ruins and when they led things got very bad, and the pax americana has been quite amazing, actually. war is going down, crime going down, poverty is going down, everything has been made better since WWII, and it's not just in america it's across the globe, and america has a huge part in making that happen. but you're right, this shouldn't be the US' job. europe needs to wake up from their post war dream and realize war never changes and they need to take care of their own defense not have america do it so they can spend their money on social welfare isntead