GOP Fretting About Monster It & FOX Created. Why?

[Indy]

[Indy]

[Philly]

Nice strawman dipped in red herring sauce Indy! Major fail! LOL!!!!!

[John Galt]

scientists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Ball
meterologists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_K ... eorologist)
nasa scientists http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles ... nsense.htm
oceanographers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tad_Murty

i can find tons of scientists who are against the idea of anthropocentric global warming. of course, it doens't matter. even if they all thought it was happening, 100% of them.

science is not a democracy. there are right answers and there are wrong answers. and even though everyone was saying "no galieleo, the universe is centered around the earth, the earth doesn't revolve around the sun" he was still right

i do not deny that local warming exists at all nor do i deny that humans have caused it. this is why temperature gauges which used to be in fields and now are in parking lots have shown temperture increases. of course they have, human development does cause local warming

what isn't shown though is data that accounts for chance correctly and has accurate predictions of global warming. not once has this ever happened. not. once.

if scientists predicting global warming will cause a 2 degree increase, it should be within that prediction of 5 percent everywhere, since it's a global prediction. if tere are local reasons as to why it wouldn't be 2 degrees +/- (.05 * 2) in a given place then they should explain that. these predictions must play out over 20 years. if you can't do it, your hypothesis was not proven and it's back to the drawing board

[Indy]

[John Galt]

[Indy]

Look John at this point I seek consensus more than conflict, so I'm totally on board with you about the oceans and plastic. We agree on that. Ocean acidity worries me more frankly than the eventual flooding.

But yeah, the plastic thing is just disturbing.

Plastic, man: talk about law of unintended consequences! Hey super convenient! Downside: takes 450 YEARS TO BIODEGRADE.

[John Galt]

well there we go. see, that's the step towards ending polarization.

i would consider myself aligned with many of environmentalist goals, if not methods. my problem with them mainly stems from their obsession with co2. there's lots of other emissions that come out of tailpipes that are bad (and we have addressed many already)

so i could be open to agreeing to things, but would want the giant thing stopping agreement to be tabled. and i think it should be, it's much like how talking about abortion and planned parenthood just makes everyone angry, when we could have been talking about WIC or something

[Philly]

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Beautiful