The singularity has already happened.

[exploited]

[John Galt]

you are saying the sun has gone supernova, while i'm saying that hasn't happened yet, and then you say well you're not using my outdated use of the term supernova and the supernova itself happens organically over many years as opposed to a singular event, and then scoffing at me for saying we need to agree on terms if we're going to say the sun has gone supernova already

whatever, im gonna go play zero dawn

[NAB]

Luddite

[spacemonkey]

We live in a finite world. Our technology is already having impacts on that, especially the information and transportation area. Finite is not going to change what it is to suit who we think we are. I guess in time we will find out how savvy we are or aren't.

[John Galt]

we have finite limits on information?

[exploited]

Galt punching down because he is having a temper tantrum

[John Galt]

you didn't even respond to my last post.

the only way tech would move in an evolutionary style of DNA development is through natural selection where copying errors are introduced that can cause issues. it's probably just going to cause NPEs and not anything good though. it certainly, to me, a biology major and computer engineer, does not seem at all the likely way for it to happen, simply because it would take too long; you're talking about million monkeys on a million typewriters. and it has to be monkeys because only after the completion of the singularity does it become intelligent enough to modify itself... at which point we're talking about the classic definition that english professors and mathematicans and dictionaries agree and only a statistically insignificant (ergo irrelevant) portion of the planet disagrees with

we have iterative development to the point of which something is then finally birthed and wholly different than everything that came before it. this is why it is a a supernova (where it is an event). conditions do not happen spontaneously for this to happen. this takes a long time to get to the exact place needed to be to cause the supernova, but it still happens in a flash

i don't think we're even at the cusp of the singularity, we are still a couple decades off. i feel like claiming we have past the singularity is dangerous wishful thinking. the singularity has the possibility to destroy all life on this planet, and the possibility to make us reach the stars. the internet just makes us argue about stuff like why would anyone come up with an idea of an evolving, decades long singularity-- that make no sense: the word "singular" is in the name

[exploited]

There is literally nothing to respond too. Your understanding of the concept is flagrantly false, and advocated by literally nobody. Not even the hard-takeoff bunch think it happens "in a flash." Their estimates range from days to several years.

Do some reading on the topic, because you clearly aren't familiar with it.

The Technological Singularity by Murray Shanahan (spl?) as well as The Technological Singularity: Managing the Journey are excellent books on the subject. The latter is actually a compilation of essays from leading thinkers.

Once you've got some sort of reasonably solid foundation, we can come back to this subject if you wish.

[John Galt]

there's a certain point at which a machine starts being able to improve itself. this will improve itself so rapidly that we cannot fathom it. it will be rapid, and we the people will be aware of it within days of the singularity as it rapidly improves, but the singularity itself is an single point in time, and it hasn't happened

[spacemonkey]