Russia seizes Ukrainian vessels

[John Galt]

Russia fired at 2 and rammed at a third ukrainian naval vessel, seizing the three vessels and imprisoning all the sailors

this happened in the Kerch strait where the russians just built a giant bridge between russia and crimea. they now claim the ukranians were entering russian waters illegally

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russ ... ov-n939981

now the ukranians have declared (or "Set to declare"?) martial law

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/26/europe/u ... index.html

this all goes back to the damn red line, which emboldened putin. now, with his patsy in office he'll do whatever he'll damn well pleases.

the united states should guarantee the independence of Ukraine, and it would be nice if our NATO allies joined. sadly our organ in foreign affairs is really Putin's. so it must fall to europe, and europe should guarantee ukraine's independence. if push comes to shove there is no way in hell we'd betray europe to russia. the man would be removed from office if he tried

[Kane]

It's on Europe...and Europe doesn't look great if what you're searching for is cohesion.

Hilarious that Trump said "either way." lolol

It took Nikki Haley at the UN and Pompeo on his own to issue a rebuke for the US.

[Spider]

Don't know, Galt. The allies across the pond are a bunch of liberal socialist Obama loving Eurotrash as far as trump's base is concerned. All the shit he's flicked their way, the agreements he's burned, the betrayals of NATO, etc etc...have only made them cheer louder. trump has no real impetus to call out Russia, even if his testicles weren't stored in a jar of pickled beets on the Tsar's nightstand.

[Kane]

Gonna be honest - I'm excited to see what it takes to actually mobilize a European response.

[Spider]

The conquest of Estonia?

Nah. Not even then.

[JockandBallTorture]

[spacemonkey]

That's their problem, not ours.

[John Galt]

the blunder that was Iraq has left russia with a free hand to operate this way. bush should have gone to the mattresses on georgia back in 08, but we had no stomach for it. it was a test of the US resolve. there's been a slow simmer and the heat has turned up ever since the red line in syria as obama lacked the stones to follow through on what he said

its our problem, monkey. oceans cannot protect us like they once did.

[NAB]

[ToddStarnes]