Twitter Wars

[ToddStarnes]

Right Ex - you totally "proved me wrong" (citation needed).

[exploited]

Look, you're the one who talked about how society is embracing "anti-white hatred," and you're also the one who refuses to provide even a single material example of that.

Apparently, in your mind, it is okay to talk about the negativity of urban black culture, or black gangster rappers, but if you talk about the negativity of "old white men," it is racism. Meanwhile, as you know, the entire basis of the "old white man" critique is that you have a white guy who feels compelled to tell everyone exactly what is wrong with their community, and then impose solutions on them, with or without their agreement. The origin of this critique is the systemic oppression of dark-skinned people by white-run regimes for the past several centuries, almost always in the guise of having a "civilizing" motive.

It is frankly shocking to imagine this kind of reactionary claptrap becoming popular in the liberal world, but here it is. I see it more and more. Unfortunate, but avoidable, with a bit of intellectual elbow grease. It isn't that you are incapable, it is that you are in the throes of pathology.

[ToddStarnes]

[Kane]

[JockandBallTorture]

liberal "old white man" party seeks "young caramels" to run for office

[exploited]

We can begin with the claim that racist remarks against whites are "more acceptable." I have seen no evidence of that whatsoever. Your article gives several examples and talks about two specific individuals - and then immediately discusses how they got hammered throughout the media for making these statements. One was even found to be in violation of his schools anti-racism policy. The other, Sarah Jeong, kept her job but was roundly condemned by the Atlantic, NY Mag, BBC, The New Yorker, Fortune, Slate, even the New York Times, who explicitly stated they do not condone her behaviour. The author herself immediately claimed that it was hyberbolic, sarcastic and satire. And she did this for a very clear reason: her comments were unacceptable, and the only way to make them acceptable was to pin it on the platform and the abuse received first.

As an aside, I blame this perspective on the failures of traditional media to properly contextualize social media. Let's be real here: the fact that these mainstream institutions are featuring Twitter Wars between random people is irresponsible journalism at its finest. There is no attempt to demonstrate the popularity or prevalence of these ideas for a reason - these are points of view that are relegated almost exclusively to the extreme left and right, and are held as nonsense by the vast majority of North Americans. There is no context presented either - the bulk of inflammatory tweets are in direct response to inflammatory statements. Similar to how when you started (and now continue) to talk about my "life achievements," and then I called you a retard. In truth, you don't seem to be classist - even though that is the easy conclusion out of context - and I am not being bigoted against the mentally disabled, even though that is again an easy conclusion to make out of context.

So, no, racist remarks are not acceptable, whether directed at whites or blacks or Natives. They are widely condemned by virtually everyone who isn't a marxist or fascist. The only time they seem to get any sort of pass is when people are on social media arguing about shit. IRL, if you walked up to your white coworkers and told them they were subhuman gremlins who should be killed, you would be immediately fired. It is only within the context of these platforms that excuses can be made, justifications given. And the media is just gobbling it up - why do actual journalism and talk about real racial problems, when instead you can simply repost a Tweet fight between @sjeong and @xXwhitepower88Xx?

So, to conclude:

1. Racism against whites is not socially acceptable, is not held to be socially acceptable, and where it does exist, does not result in any material impact on the well-being of the average white person.

2. Criticizing someone for being an "old white man" is no different than criticizing someone for being an "young black rapper." Both may have aspects to their culture that are negative - referring to them in shorthand isn't wrong, even if there is some basis in stereotypes. To give an example, you've criticized rap music, and associated it with seemingly widespread misogyny. That is a clear stereotype, as there are plenty of female-positive rappers, many blacks who don't listen to rap, and many blacks who are fundamentally opposed to that messaging (such as the Black Baptist community). You have gone out of your way to highlight some of these people. So are you wrong to discuss these things? No, I don't think you are. Stereotypes exist for a reason, and we cannot simply ignore all the instances of misogynistic black rap, and how this might have an impact on black culture.

3. The important part is putting all of this into perspective. White people are genuinely unused to talking about their race, or their racial culture, or their shared responsibilities. Even just describing a person as an "old white man" sets you off, even though you are fully aware of what the negative connotations are when discussing that group, and even though it is exceedingly common to refer to non-white people by their race ("My black friend Jamie.") Hell, my favourite example of this is when some black actor gets described as a "role model for black children." How about just a role model? You're uncomfortable with stereotypes applied to you, but seem fine discussing the stereotypes applied to young black men - aggressive, anti-intellectual, seething with hatred towards white culture and adamant that other blacks "stick to their lane."

4. You are free to adopt whatever narrative you want about black people and black culture. You are free to speak it, and have discussions based on stereotypes, as we all do, all the time. The reactionary part comes about when you wrongfully claim that "anti-white hatred" is being embraced by society. It also comes about when you refuse to contemplate alternate, more cohesive explanations, such as the "cascade failure" scenario I presented to you elsewhere.

5. Indeed, the only thing I can reasonably conclude from your arguments it that you want to make a bad-faith argument, applying different standards to different people, based on their presumed targets. Is it okay to stereotype young black men in this way? Of course, you would say, and here are older black men doing it! *insert link* But if white guy Kane talks about old white men? Racism.

[spacemonkey]

Anti white hatred could actually be the spark that re ignites white nationalism on a scale that might not be good for non whites.

[John Galt]

is that an actual threat? because i don't take kindly to actual threats

[Saz]

[NAB]