2020 summer of discontent

[exploited]

All employees need a collective negotiating body in order to prevent abuse and protect/advance their interests.

Who your employer is doesn't matter.

Forbidding people from engaging in unionism as a precondition of employment is a direct violation of their human rights. People are free to enter into contracts and agreements and social relationships as they please.

[John Galt]

[exploited]

Disingenuous. I can see you haven't totally abandoned your conservatism - there is still the occasional need to reflexively back away from logical conclusions because it confronts long-standing bias.

[John Galt]

[exploited]

[John Galt]

oh you have no doubt? well that's easily refuted by me having no doubt he would just continue to think the same things he thought before. of course i have, unlike you, firm footing on this, because nothing has changed other than now public unions exist and they do the very things he thought was bad about them

teacher's unions don't give a shit about children and their education. their very existence shows that they don't. they care about teachers, not the job. they care about making sure child molesters don't get fired, not making sure students get superior educations that they need

[exploited]

But you're literally just parroting discredited and extremist talking points, that have almost nothing to do with the day to day work of public unions. It's delusional.

[Spider]

[John Galt]

the voter most certainly can do things like pay more money or less money for things, by voting for representatives to put their interests forward (which, by the way, public employees can do as well). and it isn't "my opinion" about what the purposes of collective bargaining is. collective bargaining is to try and put the interests of labor over that of the boss. in the case of public unions, this means the interests of an extreme minority are placed above that of the boss which happens to be in this case "the people of the united states". they exist to go against the interests of the people; if they did not do this, they wouldn't exist as a union at all.

these people have gaslighted the public into thinking that if they aren't in organized labor to extract money from the people that the people won't pay them and then we won't have these government functions. but this is actually insane, because these are services we agreed to fund. if they don't want to work for the public that's their prerogative. no one is forcing them to do these things

[Saz]