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Re: Is Fraud Good For the Economy?

Postby dontworrybehappy » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:24 pm

No, I never said that. I said if you copy someone's song without their permission, you have stolen it. You're the only one who mentioned "intellectual property." I'm saying a physical good that someone put money into producing. If you take that item without permission, physically or digitally, you have stolen it. Period. The only way you can possess a digital song is if you bought it from someone, either online or via CD. Downloading it for free is stealing.

Do you have any integrity left? I mean I have downloaded tons of songs for free, but I surely don't pretend like it's not wrong. It's damn wrong.
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Re: Is Fraud Good For the Economy?

Postby eric » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:26 pm

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Re: Is Fraud Good For the Economy?

Postby dontworrybehappy » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:29 pm

Dude WTF are you talking about?

This guy explains it better than I can. And I agree with him, actually.

http://techcrunch.com/2009/03/31/steali ... r-isnt-it/
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Re: Is Fraud Good For the Economy?

Postby The Comrade » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:31 pm

not sure how eric's point is getting lost on you.
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Re: Is Fraud Good For the Economy?

Postby eric » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:32 pm

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Re: Is Fraud Good For the Economy?

Postby dontworrybehappy » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:36 pm

You have to remember, someone who made that song spent their time and money creating it, their money renting a recording studio, their money getting it out to the public, marketing, etc etc. Why do you have a right to steal that product? I mean every product has R&D costs passed onto the consumer. I agree with the above guy up until he says stealing music is not wrong. He explains very well why listening to music on a radio isnt stealing anything. It isn't the listening to the song that is the thievery, its the "owning" the song on physical media, to be played whenever you want and however many times you want without commercials.
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Re: Is Fraud Good For the Economy?

Postby eric » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:37 pm

You are starting your position from an invalid assumption, which is that copying songs = stealing songs.
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Re: Is Fraud Good For the Economy?

Postby dontworrybehappy » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:38 pm

"Police protection" is an oxymoron. Gun laws are like masturbation, they both feel really good, but after you're done you realize you haven't accomplished anything."
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Re: Is Fraud Good For the Economy?

Postby eric » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:40 pm

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Re: Is Fraud Good For the Economy?

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