Change the Consitution...

[Spider]

[Spider]

In fact...thats an excellent thing we can do with the constitution. We need to be more specific about this church and state thing. No religious anything, in any way shape or form, can be relatable to any publicly funded institution of any kind. No more mention of god in the pledge of allegiance. No more IN GOD WE TRUST on the currency. No more swearing oaths on bibles. No more verse chiseled into any sort of public property anywhere, ever. No more religious groups handing out pamphlets in public schools. No more.

We need to just drop the other shoe and have a total and complete wall of impermeability between the temporal and governmental.

Its the only way to insure liberty and equal representation to any nation with any religious plurality. This is no longer some backwater set of colonies with a nearly entirely Christian population. We've developed into quite a mish-mash, and people are far less religious in general than ever before. All this religion in government is becoming badly out of date, and increasingly it doesn't properly represent the people of the US.

[John Galt]

[John Galt]

[The Dude]

He addressed that in your quote by saying teaching "about a plurality of religions objectively and with equal time is fine."

[Spider]

[Spider]

[John Galt]

[Spider]

Oh, I don't have a problem with old cultural artifacts, either, generally speaking. I think Christmas is great. That can be as religious or not as you want it to be.

The ten commandments on a public building? A single religion being given pride of place in the national motto or on the money? The pledge of allegiance having been altered to include Christianity, with the effect of distancing it from the tens of millions of Americans who its supposed to mean something to?

Those things I'm not OK with. My high school graduation was opened and closed with prayer. I shit you not. I'm not OK with that either. Only reason I participated was for my mother.

But hey. I'm not in charge.

[John Galt]

the problem i have with prayer in school is not the prayer in school, it's the compulsory education. still, you dont have to say anything so even then it really doesn't matter and i don't care

the pledge was altered in order to distance itself from the godless communists (and is a 'cultural artifact')

i dont care about ten commandments on public buildings or whatever (and are also old cultural artifacts?). all i care about is if the congress gives federal tax dollars to the establishment of a religion, e.g., gives tax dollars to the episcopalians for them to episcapalipize